Indiana Jones - Volume VII

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  1. Enzucho Opionated

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    Yeah I noticed that with the aragon as well, I think the captain and gf are both as close to perfctly accurate as can be, the gf looks like brando from every angle
     
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    phil the sixth wrote 46 minutes earlier »
    A lot of it is in the facial expression. SS went for the easy option with the trademark smirk. The smirk helps the llikeness along no end, because it looks undeniably like a HF expression before you even consider the rest.

    Steve,I was thinking this afternoon about those words and in all honestly I really wouldn't know if it is easier to sculpt HF with the smirk or without.I tend to believe it is less difficult to have a good likeness without an extreme expression but the fact is I actually don't know.What do the others think?

    Sorry Phil, I meant 'easy' as in a "first expression that springs to mind" - a logical choice if you will.
    I wasn't sugesting it was 'easy' to sculpt the smirk, and I can imagine there are many things to consider. Even a blank expression still has to be considered - in terms of how all of the elements of the face come together.
     
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  3. Enzucho Opionated

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    I was under the impression with some of the human sculpts they used computer 3d scans of the actors faces, Is this true, cause if it is there really should be no question of the likeness IMO
     
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    jet_force_juno wrote 31 minutes earlier
     
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  5. Stephen Charter Lounger

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    phil the sixth wrote 39 minutes earlier »
    I am thinking it must be extremely difficult to have a sculpt that looks 100 percent perfect from all angles.
    For example ,my Aragorn CM is spot on in frontal view and from the right side,but not so from the left side,very odd. :hmm:

    Sculptors themselves have to interpret reference material to arrive at something that is comparable to the subject. I think the best sculptors seem to have an understanding of how the brain recognises faces.
    We as humans, are very good at recognising faces from photographs shot under normal lighting conditions, and at normal angles. Likewise when a statue with a 'good' likeness is shot under similar circumstances. However, if the conditions are changed, and the subject is lit differently, or shot from an unfamiliar angle, the brain struggles, and the margin of error increases.
    I don't know how sculptors exactly approach their portraits, but it may be that they work from reference material, and get the likeness very good from a particular angle. But that reference image is 2-D, and it is impossible to have a 3-D image to work from. They are effectively trying to turn the two dimensional in to the three dimensional, and I think that achieving that perfectly is nigh on impossible. Even the very best likenesses make some compromises. It seems the fewer the compromises, the better we perceive the likeness, and our brains make a match.
    There is a fantastic article on the subject here.
     
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    Enzucho wrote 31 minutes earlier »
    I was under the impression with some of the human sculpts they used computer 3d scans of the actors faces, Is this true, cause if it is there really should be no question of the likeness IMO

    I don't know Enz - I think that rumour was totally unsubstantiated.
     
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    Enzucho wrote 32 minutes earlier »
    I was under the impression with some of the human sculpts they used computer 3d scans of the actors faces, Is this true, cause if it is there really should be no question of the likeness IMO

    I think CM got the Arnie 3D scans from GGI,if my memory serves me well...
    Don't know about the other human CM's.
     
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    jet_force_juno wrote 8 minutes earlier »
    Sculptors themselves have to interpret reference material to arrive at something that is comparable to the subject. I think the best sculptors seem to have an understanding of how the brain recognises faces.
    We as humans, are very good at recognising faces from photographs shot under normal lighting conditions, and at normal angles. Likewise when a statue with a 'good' likeness is shot under similar circumstances. However, if the conditions are changed, and the subject is lit differently, or shot from an unfamiliar angle, the brain struggles, and the margin of error increases.
    I don't know how sculptors exactly approach their portraits, but it may be that they work from reference material, and get the likeness very good from a particular angle. But that reference image is 2-D, and it is impossible to have a 3-D image to work from. They are effectively trying to turn the two dimensional in to the three dimensional, and I think that achieving that perfectly is nigh on impossible. Even the very best likenesses make some compromises. It seems the fewer the compromises, the better we perceive the likeness, and our brains make a match.
    There is a fantastic article on the subject here.

    Great post ,Steve! :yes:
     
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    phil the sixth wrote 7 minutes earlier »
    I think CM got the Arnie 3D scans from GGI,if my memory serves me well...
    Don't know about the other human CM's.

    I think that has always been the rumour Phil, but like so many things CM - never confirmed.
    I will have to check out the care booklet sometime and see if anyone is credited with sculpting the likeness.
    I have to admit I have no idea how a 3-D scan is actually used - so if anyone here can enlighten me please go ahead! :yes:
     
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    jet_force_juno wrote 24 minutes earlier »
    I think CM got the Arnie 3D scans from GGI,if my memory serves me well...
    Don't know about the other human CM's.


    I think that has always been the rumour Phil, but like so many things CM - never confirmed.
    I will have to check out the care booklet sometime and see if anyone is credited with sculpting the likeness.
    I have to admit I have no idea how a 3-D scan is actually used - so if anyone here can enlighten me please go ahead! :yes:


    You'll find everything you want to know about 3D scanning/printing here ;)
     
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    jet_force_juno wrote 18 minutes earlier
     
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    Thanks Phil and Mirak! :wave: Fascinating. :top:
    I take it back - looks like you can have a 3-D image to work from as long as you have a scan of the face to begin with.
    I can't imagine how this would have been possible with Indiana Jones though, since this technology wasn't around when HF first played the role. So I think the differences in likeness are all down to artistic interpretation.
    The bottom line for me is that SS plumped for a portrait that is the archetype of Ford - based on the indelible charactereistics of his face we have had imprinted on our brains down the years. CM did not.
     
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    jet_force_juno wrote 1 hour earlier »
    I was under the impression with some of the human sculpts they used computer 3d scans of the actors faces, Is this true, cause if it is there really should be no question of the likeness IMO


    I don't know Enz - I think that rumour was totally unsubstantiated.


    I hear u!
     
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  14. Stephen Charter Lounger

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    Nice avatar by the way. One of the images from the pre-movie poster campaign by the looks of it.
    The jury is still out on Lars new one... :no:
     
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  15. Enzucho Opionated

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    No worries lars, love the never ending story, FALCORE, ATRAYU, ARTEX... LOL
     
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    Thanks BTW jet, believe it or not I find some great ones on an Iphone app called backgrounds, got some great movie stuff on there.
     
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  17. Stephen Charter Lounger

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    Enzucho wrote 14 minutes earlier »
    No worries lars, love the never ending story, FALCORE, ATRAYU, ARTEX... LOL

    Oh sheesh, you two will be discussing the artistic mertis of the the Ewoks: Caravan of Courage movie next...
    Should I google image search you both avatars now..? :suspicious:
     
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  18. Stephen Charter Lounger

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    Enzucho wrote 15 minutes earlier »
    Thanks BTW jet, believe it or not I find some great ones on an Iphone app called backgrounds, got some great movie stuff on there.

    I wonder if this is available for my ipod touch?
     
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    oh yes it is, just go to the app store, its call backgrounds, it wall paper for ur ipod touch, then download from ur phone the ones u want, then plug it in to your computer and transfer the pics over
     
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    Enzucho wrote 20 minutes earlier »
    oh yes it is, just go to the app store, its call backgrounds, it wall paper for ur ipod touch, then download from ur phone the ones u want, then plug it in to your computer and transfer the pics over

    :top:
     
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