Signatures on COAs - What's the truth? Some real, some prints?

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  1. André Verbal Diarrhoea

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    It's indeed clearly a copy, the sigs were identical on multiple COA's. Still amazing that people from the same company come up with different stories.
     
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  2. Demorathis Chatty

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    there are lots of collectibles out there with facsimilied certificates...like the Riddell helmets with LFL's Howard Roffman's sig for the star wars mini helmets...I think unless it is a signature plaque, the paper certificates can be copied...because the signature is to authenticate the sculpt of which we get a copy...like hand numbering - not necessary, but a nice touch...
    in the Alien's case, I believe that the signature is more of a bonus because it is Giger's creation - his original design so not only is he signing off on the likeness (like the actors approving that they approve the piece)
    but its like he is signing the way an artist signs his work - his creation in this case...
    That's just my opinion -- I'd feel a littled miffed though if the signature plaques were facsimilied, however with today's technology and the fact that a machin can replicate the motion of and act of signing, that can be a hairy deal --- I like that the person held the actual pen and wrote on the actual plaque at that moment in time...makes the particular piece more unique...
     
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  3. Stephen Charter Lounger

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    Demorathis wrote 8 hours earlier »
    the paper certificates can be copied...because the signature is to authenticate the sculpt of which we get a copy...

    That's an interesting way of looking at it.
    I think the appeal is as you said, that the actor, sculptor, designer or whoever held the pen and signed the piece of paper. But the very fact the sculpt was approved and literally signed-off is satisfactory enough for me in itself. I'm fairly ambivalent towards the need for real live signatures, and have been around Cinemaquettes long enough to form my own judgements about which are facsimiles and which aren't.
     
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  4. azurepred Chatty

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    if RDJ isn't really signing these, I can see sells taking a hit just because of that. I'm sure CM is charging extra for that sig, so if it's just copy of one, that would be another wtf moment for CM.
     
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  5. Mirak Verbal Diarrhoea

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    So far all CM signatures have been copies, it's just how it works !
    They are licensed to copy the signature for max. 500/1000 maquettes (depending on the edition size)
    So you guys really think RDJ is going to make time to sign a min. of 500 signatures ??? :headbash:
     
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  6. azurepred Chatty

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    So Giger didn't really sign the Alien bases? From what I can tell, ECC peeps sign all of their COA's. If athletes can make time to sign tons of merchandise for trading cards, jerseys, etc, why can't RDJ make time? It wouldn't bother me if CM was still charging $1500 for a maquette, but almost $1k more, I think it is important to have real sigs with these huge price tags.
     
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  7. Stephen Charter Lounger

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    Giger signed the Alien and Steve Wang signed the Predator and Darth Vader. George signed the Godfather and Geoff Johns signed Superman. The others are copies.
     
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  8. Stephen Charter Lounger

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    I'm not really bothered by it being a copy as long as it's clear and no one feels misled.

    This is the only IM out there that RDJ has personally endorsed and that alone elevates it above the rest.
     
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  9. azurepred Chatty

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    I'm waiting for their answer about it. It would be nice to know which are actually being hand signed and which are just copies. Endorsement alone does matter, but for endorsement alone, I don't feel there should be a hefty price jump just because of it.
     
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  10. Otto Verbal Diarrhoea

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    I'm I missing something,where is the hefty price jump 2200 to 2250?
     
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  11. azurepred Chatty

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    Going on forward it should be noted which are real and which aren't if some are indeed copies. I believe everything from ecc have been real signatures so far

    Marcus and reaper started at $2100, not $2200
     
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  12. Otto Verbal Diarrhoea

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    Yes but aren't they ecc Cinemauette have been 2200
     
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  13. Otto Verbal Diarrhoea

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    If you are asking ECC they don't know I asked them already and they said their not sure .
     
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  14. Stephen Charter Lounger

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    For the record Marcus pre-order price was $2,100 rising to $2,400 once in stock. The Reaper started at $2,000 rising to $2,200. The Creature started at $1,650 rising to $1,900 and Vader started at $2,000 before the price rose in two increments to $2,400.

    Iron Man's start price is $150 dollars off Marcus which didn't have any silicone, real hair, lights or actor involvement.
     
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  15. Enzucho Opionated

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    I honestly could give two craps if it's a real sig or not. I collect for the art aspect (paint, sculpt, etc) the character and representation of. And how will fit in with my collection. If you into the signatures there are plenty of autographed rdj pictures on eBay that are authenticated.
     
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  16. phil the sixth Charter Lounger

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    Perfectly said.Indeed ,who gives a s***t about signatures of other human beings who happen to be actors,singers,etc?I happen to have very exceptional talents aswell...who wants my autograph? lol
     
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  17. Lars Keymaster Staff Member

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    But, but... why then did Steve and Mark and I wait in endless queues last friday and went so far as to bribe ppl? :hmm::headbash:
     
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  18. azurepred Chatty

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    well obviously CM cares cause they are charging extra for them and I see plenty of ppl who display the COA with their statue. I'm very curious now if the going rate for a CM/ECC statue will be $150 more from less than a year ago or if it's just inflation from CM. I know Marcus and the Lycan don't have silicon, but the Lycan will have a lot more hair than IM.
     
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  19. Stephen Charter Lounger

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    Yeah but glued on hair not punched. The labor intensity of punching is much greater although granted it's just a moustache/beard.
     
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  20. Enzucho Opionated

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    Lmao completely different to me . this is something to display and treasure and it has great story behind it! I'm more speaking authentication wise on a cao. As long as it's approved by the actor is all I care about
     
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