Cases-Sizes,Lighting and Design

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  1. Lars Keymaster Staff Member

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    Index

    CM Aragorn - 72cm H x 50cm W x 50cm D (watch the depth because of the sword arm)
    CM Alien - 81cm H x 64cm W x 61cm D
    CM Indy - 72cm H x 50cm W x 50cm D
    CM Jack Sparrow - 65cm H x 50cm W x 50cm D
    CM Predator, 85cm H x 70cm W x 65cm D
    CM T-800 (Endo) - 76cm H x 53cm W x 43cm D (facing straight towards the viewer)
    CM T-850 (Arnold) - 76cm H x 43cm W x 43cm D
    CM T-X - 76cm H x 36cm W x 36cm D

    Case Setups:

    Lars' setup

    Steve's setup, More

    Omer's setup
     
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  2. Lars Keymaster Staff Member

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    Ok, I remember there was a thread on Statue Forum once with approx. measurements for CM case sizes and general information. Also prices would be very interesting to know because this stuff is usually not standardised and there seems to be much fluctuation (not to say ripoffs).
    Here's what I had noted so far, please feel free to make other suggestions:
    CM Arnold - 76cm H x 43cm W x 43cm D
    CM Endo - 76cm H x 53cm W x 43cm D (facing straight towards the viewer)
    CM T-X - 76cm H x 36cm W x 36cm D
    CM Alien, 81cm H x 64cm W x 61cm D
    Also, I'm unsure if there's any special acrylic material that would block UV rays? Is that an option with some manufacturers?
    Steve, did you order complete cubes from your supplier with a baseplate or just a dome?
    I read comments from people that had a milled channel in their baseplates to hold the cover in place which would certainly add to the price.
    There's also differences as to whether the panes are glued together or if bolts are used I suppose.
     
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    Here's two examples, first one is the cheaper variant without rounded angles and with the bolts:
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    The more expensive one (glued):
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  4. Stephen Charter Lounger

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    Hi Lars - good thread. I'll tell you what I know.
    I buy my cases from http://www.acrylicdisplaycases.co.uk/
    The cases are manufactured from 5mm thick acrylic sheet. The sheet is UV stabilised so it will not yellow or degrade in sunlight.
    My cases are 50x50 cubes and 72cm high. You can choose different sizes if you want for different pieces, but that size will fit all of the current CM's excecpt for the Alien and the Predator. As per the info in my review, you would not want to go much less than 50x50 for the Indy due to the large base. Aragor also needs that width to accommodate the sword.
    My cases have bases with them with a black baize on top. When it comes to the 'channel' you spoke of there are two options:
    1) an acrylic case that sits in a channeled groove cut in to the base. If there is a channel you need to take into account the small loss of vertical room inside the case caused by the fact the case sinks in to the channel.
    2) a base with a small trim all the way around the edge of the base. The base is made to fit the dimensions of the case. The case fits directly on to the base and sits flush against the trim. You have no loss of vertical room inside the case.
    Both ways basically form a virtual airtight seal at the bottom. I have had cases made both ways, but my current set use option 2. I really like it as the trim finishes the bass off nicely.
    The cases are manufactured by taking one large sheet of acrylic and heating it in an oven. This is then bent to make the two sides and the top. Then two pieces of acrylic sheet are perfectly cut to the size of the sides and glued in place. I have to say that the finish on mine is stunning. The join is virtually seamless, and the corners are perfect curves.
    Acrylic cases can be expensive, but you get what you pay for. I personally would not be happy with bolts, because they are a) not as stable as glued cases, b) are not as dustproof, and c) don't look as nice! It is also possible to have them manufactured from 3mm acrylic, but again structural integrity across such big cases would be a problem.
    To give you some idea, a 50x50x72 case sets me back around £300 delivered. But they are incredible pieces of craftmanship in their own right, and really, really enhance the pieces and the collection.
     
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    I am not sure about the UV protection. I will email the supplier tomorrow and check this. I am sure I asked this before and the answer I got was that there was UV filtration applied to the cases, however I may have misunderstood this, and what the supplier was actually telling me was that the cases were UV stabalised.
     
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    Great information Steve.
    Judging by your pictures you went with the black base color?
    In Germany we seem to have a serious shortage of specialized case dealers. There's a company called Sora but they only do the cheapish cases with self assembly (bolts).
    I noticed that acrylicdisplaycases.co.uk does International Shipping so I send them an inquiry but I expect nothing short of a disastrous shipping quote. :freezing:
     
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    Another impression from a collector friend (pumpkin_xxx).
    He crafted them on his own 'made to measure', great stuff!
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    [size=1,5]-Courtesy of pumpkin_xxx[/size]
     
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  8. Stephen Charter Lounger

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    Lars wrote 1 hour earlier »
    Great information Steve.
    Judging by your pictures you went with the black base color?
    In Germany we seem to have a serious shortage of specialized case dealers. There's a company called Sora but they only do the cheapish cases with self assembly (bolts).
    I noticed that acrylicdisplaycases.co.uk does International Shipping so I send them an inquiry but I expect nothing short of a disastrous shipping quote. :freezing:

    Yes Lars I went with black bases. They sit perfectly on top of those IKEA tables I have so they look like all in ones.
    Each case costs £15 to deliver to my home. They are bubblewrapped, then boxed in a cardboard box that is cut to fit the case. Then they are placed inside another larger outer cardboard box with the space padded out with foam strips. Kinda like the way CM use a two box system. This makes the cases weigh considerably more than they do on their own. It also makes the cases a lot bigger as you have to factor in the size of the boxes. So you might be in for a lrage quote Lars. I am racking my brains to try and think of a way I might be able to help you out being I am in the same country as the fabricator....
    I have two cases on order with them at the moment. I was going to email them tomorrow about the UV thing. I'll mention your email and mention I know you.
     
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    By the way that display photo you posted is really nice. Am quite jealous. The only thing I would say is that the top, and the back prevent you viewing from above and all the way around the back. Also the extra acrylic required to make the depth to cover the height of the statue plus the internal pedestal would be expensive. But I guess if you are making it yourself it isn't so much of a problem. So I guess you sacrifice money and viewing angles in exchange for a really good lighting solution and an incredibly classy looking design.
    Does he have any more in his collection Lars? I would be keen to see more!
     
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    That's very nice of you. We have some specialized glazieries but they're much better in crafting these things than to make them ready to ship. You'd have to pick them up by yourself and the next good one I know of is 500km away. Well we'll see.
    As for the custom cabinets, I think he only finished those two so far but they have build in rollers so he can move them around. He said that one cost him about 650EUR in materials and outside help.
    There's always a thin line between a great (temporary) presentation and it's cost I think (is 50% or even more of the exhibits price reasonable?). It should be something that is good looking, but flexible enough so that it can be easily converted for other pieces if need be. In my case it also needs be to transportable in case of a move. I think you found a good "compromise" in this regard because a display cabinet like the one above would cost you dearly and is very specific for that particular piece to make the lights work the way they should.
     
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    Actually I was eyeing a solution like this for some time but an acrylic cube could be easily upgraded later I reckon. This is available with an indirect lighting option from within the stand.
    [​IMG]
     
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    :cry: :cry: :cry:
    I'll find a way! ;)
     
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    Lars wrote 10 hours earlier »
    Actually I was eyeing a solution like this for some time but an acrylic cube could be easily upgraded later I reckon. This is available with an indirect lighting option from within the stand.
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    I would try and avoid lighting from below if possible. Down light is best. I
    Sorry to hear that they couldn't ship cases over to Germany. Shame.
     
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    Yes it's probably best and most versatile to start with simple acrylic cubes of good quality and then evolve from there (like having a carpenter build a stand with lights or buy tables if need be).
     
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    jet_force_juno wrote 1 day earlier »
    By the way that display photo you posted is really nice. Am quite jealous. The only thing I would say is that the top, and the back prevent you viewing from above and all the way around the back. Also the extra acrylic required to make the depth to cover the height of the statue plus the internal pedestal would be expensive.

    Well I guess you could replace the black backboard with another acrylic pane and then place the wires for the top light in a tube if you really wanted.
    However I think he decided on the black background on purpose to make it more of a stand-alone display, independant of the wall color behind.
    As for costs, I think that the acrylic used here is even less expensive because you only need a half case with three sides, no top and bottom and rear required, even though it is a bit larger as you mentioned.
    The internal pedestral is also a great solution to place the CoA on. :hmm:
    I think I need to visit a carpenter to get a cost estimate... it really appears like a well-planned solution the more I think about it.
    Another pic:
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    The other thing to keep in mind Lars is the viewing level for your pieces. I think taller displays such as the ones above are great if you have a seperate room which you walk around. But the elevation wont work as well if you mainly view your pieces from a seated position, as I do in my cinema room. Basiclaly you need to keep everything at eye level I think. Judging by those pictures, I would say that the top of the case is at least 180cm off the ground.
     
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  17. Lars Keymaster Staff Member

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    They are about 160cm in total.
    Personally I found 70-80cm to be a good socket height for both purposes, add the ~60cm of your average CM and you end up with a circa of 140cm total height.
    What I don't like all too much is the MDF material he used for the corpus, which makes it look a little bulky and, well, board-like. Having more than two or three of these in a room could be overkill.
    I'm more looking into fibreglass or milk glass for the stand to make it feel "lighter".
    On the other hand I really dig the internal riser idea with CoA space which does up the price for the acrylic cover as you mentioned .
     
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    Talking about perfection...
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  19. Stephen Charter Lounger

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    Lars, it's nice - but 350mm squared will not take a CM!
     
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    True, but at the price they're asking I'd assume that they'd provide you with a custom build. ;)
    Now enough of the musing, what height do your tables have, Steve? They look like 40-50cm...
     
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