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Discussion in 'Collectibles by Brand' started by Lars, Nov 24, 2009.
Why would you use a poor factory for a very popular licence this is a strange.
It seems Sideshow doesn't really care about the quality & accuracy of their Predator & Alien products.Every single piece that came out in recent years had major flaws or poor art direction.Their new pieces from these licenses are no different.Look at the Alien Queen dio...shape of the eggs are all wrong;scale of the Warriors are completely off in comparison with the Queen & the eggs.We all know about the new 1/4 Jungle Hunter with his oversized head, skinny body,innacurate mask-less portrait and wrongly placed leg armor.
How can this be when you have such talented sculptors working in your stable and you have all the references you need to deliver accuracy?There can only be 1 answer in my mind for such travesty: a lack of love/feel/insight for the property & characters!Probably the reason why they are handing over these type of collectibles to their lesser factories cause they don't really care.Their top tier factories are too busy with the COTD pieces and their other beloved properties.
And they don't care cause they know these products will sell regardless.
Did you see their latest Alien Warrior 1/5 statue with the hanging paws?Come on!
Those black dots they are slapping on all their Predators are always looking so unnatural.
(it sadly reminds me of my breakout T-rex)
Lack of complete subtleness and lack of 'blending in'.
Horrible and if I heard correctly in that review it's one of those all plastic hollow ultra light busts? When I receive a statue or bust in a box that floats on air like a balloon i don't even unbox. I immediately stick a prepaid UPs return label on it.
It really does look like a plastic piggy bank,lol
Also, look how awful those veins are in the mouth!Unbelievable.
Wow that pic makes it look really bad.
Karim,do you still have the T1 T-800 Endoskeleton maquette on order from Sideshow?
I would be nervous after the Wolf lsb debacle cause the description of the endo is the same as the Wolf lsb : combination of "polystone & plastic"
The real question is : what is plastic and what parts are polystone?For all we know the base could be poly while the entire figure plastic....
production gallery is up:
Please inform me aren't these supposed to have a chrome look on them, it looks as dull as the the recent Chronicle one? What movie did they change to a rough silver look?
Our only hope for a chromed endo these days is Prime 1.
Sideshow said goodbye to chrome a while ago because they say the chrome process is too costly,there are too many defective pieces,it's too much of a hassle...READ: our n°1 objective = maximising profits and cutting corners where we can!High quality is secondary,rough silver look is 'good enough'.
Sad but true.
Sideshow said also goodbye to translucent resin for similar reasons...they say it's too costly,it takes next level painters to paint translucent resin,too much of a hassle!While other high end companies such as Prime1 are using translucent resin on all of their products without any issue.This to me tells everything!
Sideshow's mentality = cutting corners where you can in order to maximise profits!High quality is secondary,plain polystone is 'good enough'.
Sad but true.
And all this while they have doubled the price of their regular PF's in 2-3 years time!
I would be lying if I say I wasn't impressed with what I have received lately. (Xiall PF - Cleopsis PF - Red Sonja PF) Some of their best work ever imo.It feels as if Sideshow is dividing their products beforehand in what has to be high quality stuff such as COTD (produced by their top tier factories) and what can be produced by their lesser factories.(most of the Predator-Alien-Terminator pieces for instance))At least it's how I perceive it.
I'm shaking my head in disbelief when I look at their Wolf lsb.Sideshow is bringing us the best and the worst at the same time.
Anyway,they are releasing too much stuff (with gigantic edition sizes) and they need those lesser factories to get everything done.That's a big problem.
Yep , I still have it on pre-order Phil !
And I will be very happy if it looks like the pics of the production piece .
Actually Phil , the real question is : why are people making such a problem about the fact that they use pvc
instead of polystone ?
-Pvc makes pieces lighter so less shipping costs...
-Pvc holds better details in a mold (there’s loss in detail with polystone !)
-Pvc doesn’t break as easy like polystone.
So tell me what’s so bad about pvc ?
And I think that they will use a lot of pvc on the endo because with all the small pieces like the fingers
they could break so easy if they were made from polystone.
(When I got the cm endo some fingers had broken off in the box)
When blitzway made the Bruce Lee statues they also used pvc in combination with poly, no one ever complained about the statue being too light or low quality...
Some mixed Pvc is fine but not an all Pvc item.
The issues I have with Pvc has mostly to do with head sculpts, the sheen on most Pvc paintings make it look cheap and in some cases a child's toy that can fall on the floor, bounce and not get broken. That sheen tied in with an extremely light piece especially on a bust does not sit well with me as a high end collectible that I spend my hard earned money on.
Well,I can only talk for myself of course... it's all about personal experience and how one perceives things with all his senses.
When I had the T-800 endo cinemaquette on display I immediately knew I had something special and of very high quality.(one of the few things I regret selling)Very heavy,beautifully chromed, cold to the touch,very sturdy.Then later on I received the Hot Toys endoskeletons which were nicely chromed but despite this I felt it wasn't worth the money .It was very light & very loose and one came in broken,ironically also with broken fingers and a broken leg.When handling these figurines everything felt very cheap to me.
I have no problem with some pvc elements for reasons such as to enhance realism (Bruse Lee 1/3 from Bzw) or to prevent breakages ( quills on a predator,etc) but if the entire statue or bust is pvc it looks and feels like a toy.And like ctg mentioned when no proper paintapplication has been applied on pvc it looks like something from Toys'r'us.Look at the Wolf lsb...people say it looks like a plastic piggy bank and indeed it does.The Bruce Lee head was well painted so nobody had an issue with it.
Also,looking at the previous Predator lsb's I don't see a more detailed sculpt so in a broader sense I'm not really buying the whole 'pvc holds better details than poly'...I just don't see an improvement but that could just be me.I'd say the Wolf lsb details look softer in comparison with the previous lsb's.So go figure...
I would like to add that the perfect combination for a 1/4-1/3 statue is a poly body with a pvc head or translucent resin,at least for me
On smaller (1/4 - 1/3) heads I do think that pvc can achieve more realism (pores,wrinkles,etc) than polystone.(IF properly painted)
Of course that a heavier piece and real chrome feels like quality, I still have the cm t800 and while the piece isn’t flawless it’s still
the best hight end endo ever released !
Pvc holds better detail when it’s used to cast for example a head , the head can be cast in the color the head will have.
In case of polystone it will be cast and will need a coat of paint for skin color, and this first coat will hide some of the finer details in the sculpt.
Just look at hot toys , enterbay , blitzway.... they all use pvc
The biggest problem I have with the wolf lsb are the paint apps, very poorly done in comparison with proto...
This Predator Wolf lsb reminds me of the huge difference between the Hot Toys ED-209 and the Chronicle ED-209 puppet.
Don't remember the exact materials used but both are relatively lightweights.The HT looks like a plastic toy (sold it) while de Chronicle looks like a high end collectible on display.
Difference?Paintjob and quality of materials used.
Pyhton's review of the Wolf lsb...
"Okay, I gave it a few days as I wasn't in the best position to talk about this thing, I thought it wise to take a step back or I'd probably have been banned from the forum if I'd given my honest opinion last week here's a few images of mine and my views, nothing special picture wise as I've just moved and don't have much to hand, just my trusty camera. I took it outside for some natural light shots with a couple in doors. I should note, it looks better in pictures as you don't pick up on the plastic look that is very obvious in person. Plus the paint really pops which I can't actually see much of as I sit looking at it while typing this. On with it...
I almost fell over when SSC first revealed this, it is a staggeringly beautiful sculpt, and despite hitting us with an absolute bomb when they revealed the $650 price, and then didn't offer the classy nameplate to boot which meant it wouldn't quite fit with the others. I had to have this thing. after a few "meh" Predator items, some of which I still enjoyed none the less, this thing was a huge leap for sideshow, and could even have been seen as a statement that they can keep up in a game where the competition for this license has really taken off lately. So expectations were very high, as was my excitement for this.
So how were the first impressions. Well they were lowered very much by the fact that others received this before me and reported that it was indeed plastic. This is a good thing as had I not seen or heard anything before receiving mine, I think I'd have been shocked and annoyed beyond belief. As it were, I had low expectations, and very little excitement by the time mine arrived. So that kept my expectations in check, but I was still shocked at how cheap this thing actual feels in person. The only word for it is nasty tbh, there's no sugarcoating it. It's shocking that a $650 collectible was ever green lit to ship like this and I'm not surprised to see the return stats on the various social media platforms. My next realisation was that the head doesn't actually fit the body properly which boggles the mind as to how the factories are getting away with this kind of basic stuff? My P1 bio didn't connect to its stand either so this is hardly a one off. There's loads of other flaws, various scratches and chips etc, plus the gloriously care free act of the dreads being numbered with large engraved numbers in full site. But I'll swerve all of that and focus on the actual bust itself.
The thing is, there's some really good things to say about this bust, and that's the saddest thing, they had a gem here and for some reason, they messed it up by choice. I will be the first to admit that even in it's horrible plastic form, this bust kind of looks really good! I mean it has a really cheap plastic look up close like a Neca figure, but if you sit back and put it on a shelf, it looks nice. I'm not saying that is acceptable at this price point, it isn't! I also like how they did the quills, they're flexible. I worry constantly about the rigid quills on the others. And visible seams are such an amateur thing, it's just mind boggling! They are totally unacceptable. It lost detail over the prototype for sure, this is much softer which is ironic given that retaining detail is apparently the reason "High quality" (but not really) PVC is utilised. But it's still a nice looking bust none the less. I've heard a lot of complaints about the paint. Some people suggesting that is the soul reason they are returning it. But actually, while it certainly isn't even close to being great, I don't think it's completely terrible. And being "not terrible" is fairly decent praise these days. It has some diabolical parts such as the veins in the mouth (what's new) and the black spotting is really bad, it looks to be slopped on with a brush. And there's some wrong colours used naturally, but over all it's acceptable for a pre-paint imo. there are at least a few different shades, all be it rough around the edges with no subtlety at all. I suspect I'm just tainted by very poor paint apps in general, but this could have been worse. I'm not sure I expect any more from a Sideshow Predator anyway.
So I'll wrap up. like most, I spent a year + being excited for this thing, a truly beautiful sculpt that has been destroyed by somebodies poor decision to make the entire thing plastic. And now rather than being a piece to talk about for all of the right reasons, it has become quite the opposite. You have to see this thing in person to know just how cheap and nasty it feels. And it's such a shame, it really is. Had it been $150, fine! But at this kind of crazy money, this product is not acceptable and they must have known people wouldn't accept it. Especially as the rest have all been seriously heavy, with little plastic.
As I said before, I can sum this up in only one way... This is one of Sideshows very best sculpts. And one of their very worst releases. A real shame as I'd still love this sculpt in my collection for sure, but not like this..."
So sad to hear collectors have been let down .
Sideshow's madness continues...
C-3PO Lsf prototype vs production piece...weathering is horrendous on the production piece!This is what you buy for 2300 freaking EUROS!Sideshow,you should be ashamed to release an expensive collectible like that!